Stephen
Evicted
Stephen - Madrid/Bern
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Post by Stephen on Aug 7, 2005 22:33:06 GMT -5
Kevin
Well well well, the liar has made it to the end. I hope you understand that lying to everyone is not a good strategy. The only reason you're even in the final two is because of your luck and Alex's stupidity. You lied to me, you lied to Ryan, you lied to Nina and you were most likely originally lying to Alex until he made his dumb decision. I'm sure you would have stabbed Jordan (you were in Jordan's little alliance thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and whoever else was in that alliance at the first opportunity. I think the only person you had any loyalty to is Joe. The only reason I say all this is so you and the rest of the jury know that you would be sitting on this side if it wasn't for Alex's stupidity and the fact that you won the last HoH (unless Alex got even more stupid and decided that he had a better chance against you than Ryan, which he didn't.)
So, Kevin, here are my questions for you:
1) If Ryan or myself had won the final 4 HoH would you have attempted to convince either one of us that you were loyal to us, knowing that most likely it wouldn't work?
2) Earlier in the game you made a deal with me where you wouldn't nominate or vote for me for four rounds (I think you were in the clear when you evicted me.) If myself and Joe had been nominated in a period where you were "under contract" and there was no way either of us could be taken off the block, what would you have done? Also, I remember that this deal was made during the box challenge, was this deal made to get you a box or because you actually wanted an alliance with me.
3) Please tell me what you said to Alex to convince him to nominate myself and Ryan.
4) Why did you choose to evict me over Ryan? I know you said I was a "threat" but as far as I can recall, Ryan and I won the same number of HoHs. I don't think I was particularly good at the challenges. The only challenges I remember doing particularly well in were the box challenge and the bathroom trivia challenge (which I gave you the win if I recall.)
5) If you had complete control over the game, what would your boot order have been?
6) What was your strategy coming into the game?
7) Please tell me what you did right, not just in the later rounds but the whole game to get you to the final 2.
8) Why should I vote for you? Why shouldn't I vote for Alex?
You have fun answering all of those, heh.
Alex
I have been waiting to ask you one question since I got booted. WHAT THE FUCK!? Ryan and I had been nothing but loyal to you, and you decided that someone of questionable loyalties would better help you win. Also, you had a much better chance of beating either myself or Ryan than Kevin. What you did was fucking stupid.
1) Before you won the HoH, what were your plans for if you won?
2) Please explain your nominations.
3) Who did you trust the most? (give me as many answers as you want) The least?
4) Would you have nominated myself or Ryan before that point if you had gotten the chance?
5) If you had complete control over the game, what would your boot order have been?
6) What was your strategy coming into the game?
7) Please tell me what you did right, not just in the later rounds but the whole game to get you to the final 2.
8) Why should I vote for you? Why shouldn't I vote for Kevin?
I know I asked a lot of questions but it's because I have no idea who I want to vote for. If you want my vote, my suggestion is to answer honestly. Don't tell me lies that you think I want to hear or sugar coat anything. If you do any of this the chances of me voting for you is much lower.
I know I seem pretty mad, but it's because I was blindsided. If I had expected it I wouldn't be so mad.
Thanks.
EDIT: The reason I'm asking so many questions about my eviction is because I didn't get to read the thread before I couldn't see it anymore.
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Post by Kevin on Aug 8, 2005 13:03:03 GMT -5
Hey Stephen, first of all I am pretty surprised that you are so bitter towards me when we talked maybe about two or three times, thats no ones fault but c'est la vie. I don't think lying is a very good strategy either, and if that was my strategy I would have employed it a lot better.
I am not in the final two because Alex is stupid and because I lied, I'm in the final two because my goal was to get here and I have accomplished that.
I never lied to you, Stephen. I never promised you I wouldn't evict you at the final four, I never promised you an alliance, I promised you I would not nominate you or evict you for four rounds and I did that. Therefore, no lies were told to you from me.
I never lied to Ryan. Him and I only started to talk after I put him on the block and I decided to save him. At the final five he came up with a plan to get us to the finals, and I told him it sounded like a good idea. I never promised him the final two and he will tell you that himself. So, I didn't lie to him either.
I never lied to Nina either! Nina was my good ally and friend and we decided to look after eachother. Yes, Veronica told everyone that me, Joe, and Nina were in an alliance but that was completely untrue. Joe and Nina didn't trust eachother and the three of us had never talked about working together. Yes, Nina and I and Joe and I worked together seperately, but never as a threesome. I told Nina I was voting to evict her and she knew, so...no lie there either.
And now we have Alex. Alex and I started to become good friends once we merged into the Bern house. Now, we talked about alliances and who we thought was with who for a good while, but we never promised eachother anything. Then, once it got down to it he asked me about the whole Nina, me, and Joe thing and I told him the truth about it. He told me about you, himself, and Ryan and that's when he and I decided to go to the finals together. So, I can't recall an instance when I lied to Alex.
You're also saying I would have backstabbed Jordan or anyone else in the alliance at the next chance. Well, two other people who voted to evict him beat me to the punch! I voted for Veronica that round because that is when Jordan, Jay and I promised eachother final three. Yes, I made that deal and since Jordan was evicted, there was no chance for me to break it.
And finally your statement about Joe. Yes, I was loyal to him because Joe and I trusted eachother and when he was up on the block I did not vote to evict him, I voted for you because our four weeks were up and I hadn't talked to you as much. So, you are correct in saying I was loyal to him.
The only person I would say I lied to was Jay, but you didn't mention him, so I will. I told Jay I would keep him if it was a tiebreaker, but Ryan convinced me otherwise and I voted to evict Jay. If you have any other instances where I lied I would love for you to bring them up, because there is only one that happened.
Now, onto your questions.
If you or Ryan had won the final four Head of Household, I pretty much knew I was screwed. I would have talked to you guys to feel you out and see what you wanted to do, but at the final four I feel there is no reason to beg and plead your allegiances if you didn't have them in the first place. However, Ryan had told me in his plan he would keep me safe, so to answer your question: no, I wouldn't have tried to convince you I was loyal to you.
If you and Joe were on the block, I would have had to evict Joe. Joe and I are really good friends but I made a very clear deal with you that I would not nominate or evict you for four rounds, while my deal with Joe was more general. Had it come down to it, I would not have wrote your name down. I made the deal for both reasons, maybe the box had something special in it and at the time I had no allies. I felt you were trustworthy and wouldn't want to nominate you anyway.
I did not say anything to Alex to convince him to nominate you and Ryan. Alex went on vacation right after the final five, and presumably had left a nomination list before he left. Alex and I had promised eachother final two, so that is why he did not nominate me.
I chose to evict you over Ryan because I felt you were a threat to my game. You talked about challenges defining threat, there are many more things that made you a threat to me. I didn't talk to you as much as the others, so you were a big question mark for me whereas I felt Ryan or Alex would take me to the finals if they won. You were a big gray spot for me and I didn't want to feel unsure going into the final three Head of Household challenge.
If I had complete control over the game, I would keep the boot order the same for the first half. I feel that the people who left during that time deserved to go.
Once we merged, my ideal boot order would go like this:
12. Jon 11. JD 10. Ryan 9. Richie 8. Alex 7. Veronica 6. Stephen 5. Jay 4. Nina 3. Jordan
Joe/Kevin
I didn't talk to Jon, JD had nominated me before, Ryan and I did not talk for the first half of the game, Richie wasn't too active so I would want more active people with me, Alex I felt was shaky with alliances and I knew he had some so I would probably have tried to get him out, Veronica I talked to but she wasn't around as much, you I probably would have wanted to work with a little more than I did, Jay was a good guy but would make it and win in the finals, Nina was a good girl but didn't deserve it as much as Joe or Jordan, and I would take Joe to the finals over Jordan because Joe and I worked together and Jordan would be a big threat to win the game.
My strategy coming into the game was to lay low so I could make it past the first few rounds without being viewed as a big threat or a huge power player. I wanted to establish bonds along the way, so that as the game progressed they could turn into alliances. At the merge, I wanted to keep an alliance with my housemembers while talking to everyone else to get a feel of what was going on. Ideally, my main alliance would make it to the end together and I would take my final two partner to the finals with me.
I think I did a lot of things right to make it to the finals. During the first few weeks, I talked to everyone in my house and showed them that I was a good person to have around. This kept me off the nomination block the first week, and saved me from eviction the second.
During the next few weeks at the merge, I talked to everyone and tried to figure out where their allegiances stood. I think this was a good move because alliances are bound to break apart and I was a free man just waiting to join one without my Romans. I think being a free man and being available is a good thing, because there is always someone in the alliance that is on the outside.
I think talking to everyone and making them feel as though I was loyal to them kept me safe for the majority of the game. I was nominated only the second time at the final five, where I vetoed myself and was off the block anyway.
I think having recieved no eviction votes, only nominated twice, and winning two head of households says alot. It says that no one wanted me out of this game, and if they did... they didn't bad enough to get me a vote or a permanent nomination.
In combination with talking to everyone, making the right deals at the right time, and winning challenges when I needed to, got me to the final two.
You should vote for me, Stephen if you feel I played a better game, if I was a better friend to you, if I was a better challenge whore, whatever you are basing your vote on. Vote for me if you feel that is what you want to do. If you don't want to vote for me, then don't. It is your vote and not mine and you should give it to you you want to.
That's all for now, and I hope I answered all of your questions. If you have any more I'll be waiting to answer!
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Post by Alex on Aug 8, 2005 17:45:20 GMT -5
I don't think it was stupid at all. I wanted to go to the finals and be satisfied with my final two partner. I would not feel happy with my gameplay if I made the finals with someone that I had limited interaction with. Kevin and I may have lied to each other and some points, but I trusted his intention that he was with me and I could depend on him. I do not think he had anybody else. While I realize he had deals in the past that he didn't tell me about, I did not think he was lying to me at this point.
So, I trusted Kevin in that he wanted to go to the finals with me. And I found him to be very charming. I was also more social with him than I was with you or Ryan. I also was going to be going on vacation, and I didn't know if I would be able to make the challenges, the final challenge in particular. I felt you and Ryan would take each other to the finals if you had won it. As I would be away, I would not be able to compete in the challenge and it would sort of guarantee me third place. Kevin I thought would win the challenges and take me to the finals. My reasoning for not trusting Ryan was that he asked me to into an alliance with you, but then later suggested nominated and evicted you. If he was going to do that to you, then he may have done it to me too, so I didn't believe him when he said he'd take me to the finals. And as I've said before, I didn't think you'd take me to the finals as we haven't spoken much.
I was focusing on getting to the finals. Had I played to look good in front of the jury, I still figured i'd be vulnerable at f3 and that would be very more reason as to why you two wouldn't pick me to go to the finals. It would be a waste of time to play and look good to the jurors, just to be viewed as a threat and then evicted before final two. I played to get myself to the finals, and then I figured i'd work on winning the jury votes when I actually got there.
Nominated Ryan and Stephen.
I trusted Jay the most. I trusted Jordan the least.
Perhaps. You never know. It all depends on what the circumstances were, so I can't for sure if I would or wouldn't.
JD Richie Joe Nina Ryan Kevin Jordan Stephen Jon Veronica Jay Alex
JD and Richie because we didn't talk, and I heard they were both fairly good players.
Joe as he seemed like a strong player. Nina because she is much smarter then people would think, Ryan for his skills of persuasion. Kevin and Jordan were all around threats, Stephen seems calculating but antisocial. I'd keep jon becuase he didn't do anything so he'd be easy to get rid of, and then Veronica...because while I liked her and Jay...I was never sure where she stood.
Well...I didn't really have a strategy. I usually go into the game, look at the players, and then based on my observations begin my strategy. This time my strategy was to seek out the main power player, latch on to them, and then sort of...not make alliances but talk to people and imply things so they'll keep me around. I'd suggest I'd want a certain person to stick around without talking flat out about having an alliance with them. I also wanted to appear like more of an emotional player then a strategical player. If people felt my decisions in the game were motivated by emotions rather than moving myself forward, they would assume they could manipulate me at a later date and wouldn't go after me. An example of this would be when Jordan was nominated. I felt Jordan was a threat for a while, I was trying to ride on his coattails and wanted him to sort of...eliminate some of the competition for me. When he was up I acted like I was hurt he had broken our deal, and when asked I told people I was mad he was backstabbed me. Really...I didn't mind at all. I was using being mad or hurt as an excuse to vote for him. I had no ill feelings towards him at all.
I think my strategy worked pretty well, as it got me here. I only had to win HOH once, and I never had to use the store to advance myself. I made the right allies during the game and said the right things to stay in.
You should vote for me because I (imo) played a pretty good game. I stated some of the reasons in question 7. You should maybe not vote for Kevin because I feel at times he may have stooped a little low to get ahead. /: Sorry Kevin.
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Stephen
Evicted
Stephen - Madrid/Bern
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Post by Stephen on Aug 8, 2005 19:56:42 GMT -5
Sorry about that whole "making things up in my head" thing. Kevin, the idea is to win votes, not piss people off.
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Post by Kevin on Aug 8, 2005 21:22:39 GMT -5
You told me not to sugarcoat it, so I didn't. I would rather answer honestly and how I feel then make some happy crap up and win.
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veronica
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Veronica - Madrid/Bern
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Post by veronica on Aug 11, 2005 6:54:54 GMT -5
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