Week 8

[Ryan]

ospring87: hey
spanellers1: hey joe
spanellers1: i had no idea there was a continental challenge! why didn't val tell us?
ospring87: no clue
ospring87: :-\
spanellers1: did you finish? or do you know if someone else did?
ospring87: i finished though, not sure if it is right or not though
spanellers1: grrrr, i'm so mad that i wasn't home
spanellers1: now, i'm definitely going up on the block again :-\
spanellers1: this was my only chance and i didn't even know that there was one :-(
ospring87: well if I did win HOH, would you promise to vote out who I asked if I didn't put you up
spanellers1: jw, mind telling me who you want out?
spanellers1: but i'd definitely accept that offer
ospring87: Stephen
spanellers1: yeah, i wouldn't have a problem doing that
spanellers1: can he get vetoed?
ospring87: he already used it once, i think you can only have it once
ospring87: so you would vote him out?
spanellers1: definitely
spanellers1: if it saves me a week, i'll vote for anyone
ospring87: ok thank you, I just hope I won that HOH
spanellers1: i hope you did too, but i think i'll try in a few minutes anyways
ospring87: ok cool
ospring87: good luck
spanellers1: alright thanks
ospring87: i just wanted to let you know I'm going on vacation until Tuesday
spanellers1: but there is only one thing that worries me
ospring87: so I won't be doing anything in Myster until then
spanellers1: ok, just check it now to get your new team
spanellers1: someone told me, i forget who, that kevin and alex were together and that they were using nina as a pawn
spanellers1: if this is true, stephen going out will screw both of us
spanellers1: because we'll be on the block together next week unless i win HoH
ospring87: :-\
spanellers1: i still plan on voting stephen since i just told you i would, but that will put us both in a pretty bad position
ospring87: what do you mean by pick a team?
spanellers1: there are three new teams to be on - orange, purple, green
spanellers1: you can select which team you want to be a member of
ospring87: where do I say what I pick?
ospring87: in my journal?
spanellers1: no, in the team catagories
spanellers1: there are 3 new catagories that you see
ospring87: i just did it
ospring87: i gtg, ttyl
ospring87: bye
spanellers1: cya
ospring87 signed off at 10:50:04 PM.

[Ryan]

spanellers1: hey stephen
squeezycheese01: Hi.
spanellers1: i'm assuming you already know, but we have a bit of a problem on our hands
squeezycheese01: What's that?
spanellers1: well out of the final six, you me and joe are outnumbered by the KAN alliance
spanellers1: well not outnumbered
squeezycheese01: Wait.
spanellers1: kevin and alex have an alliance and they're using nina as a pawn
squeezycheese01: Alex isn't in their aliance, switch Joe and Alex and that's the alliance.
spanellers1: are you sure?
squeezycheese01: Positive.
spanellers1: ok, can you promise to keep everything that i tell you now a secret
squeezycheese01: Yes.
spanellers1: because you keeping it to yourself is for the best
squeezycheese01: I think we're both pretty much on the outs so it's best for us to stick together.
spanellers1: joe came to me and said "if i win HoH, i won't put you on the block"
spanellers1: "however, you need to vote stephen out"
squeezycheese01: I've already finished the maze.
squeezycheese01: Val told me it was right.
spanellers1: joe did it last night
squeezycheese01: What time?
spanellers1: were you first?
spanellers1: lemm check the convo
spanellers1: he told me he was done when i came online which was around 10
squeezycheese01: EST?
spanellers1: i think he finished around 9 or so
spanellers1: yes, EST
squeezycheese01: Fuck.
spanellers1: no, don't worry
spanellers1: we have this...
spanellers1: if he puts you and alex on the block
squeezycheese01: Kevin promised me he wouldn't vote for me.
spanellers1: you can veto yourself off, right?
squeezycheese01: I don't know if he'll keep that promis.
squeezycheese01: *promise
squeezycheese01: I don't have a veto.
squeezycheese01: I don't have the euros to buy one.
spanellers1: ok, this is actually better...
spanellers1: i'll buy a normal veto
spanellers1: veto you off
spanellers1: we're both safe from nomination
spanellers1: joe has to put up nina or kevin
spanellers1: you and me boot them instead of alex
spanellers1: we have 2/3 votes
squeezycheese01: Sounds good.
squeezycheese01: So you're sure the veto user can't be put up?
spanellers1: then, we have a 50% shot at HoH
spanellers1: positive
spanellers1: i'll check with val though, but that is the way both vetoes work
squeezycheese01: Joe isn't even going to be here until Tuesday, I guess he's already posted some nominations.
spanellers1: however, if joe puts you and me on the block, we're screwed
spanellers1: actually, with alex, we have a 3/4 shot of HoH
squeezycheese01: Do you think Alex would work with us?
spanellers1: i hope so
spanellers1: if he does, as long as one of us gets HoH
spanellers1: either joe or kevin will veto themselves off
spanellers1: then we oust the other since there will be a tie HoH will break it
squeezycheese01: Of course, Joe could have always made a mistake.
squeezycheese01: I hope he did, but it's not likely.
spanellers1: if you win HoH, you can't put nina up
spanellers1: you have to use nina as a replacement nom
spanellers1: otherwise, kevin or joe can use a veto from the outside
squeezycheese01: The thing is Kevin and I have a deal where he won't vote for me and I won't vote for him and we won't nom each other.
spanellers1: kevin made that deal with me too
squeezycheese01: Hmmm.
spanellers1: and he has his thing with nina and joe
spanellers1: then there's alex, who knows what he has with alex
spanellers1: but joe wants you out next
squeezycheese01: I kinda thought as much.
spanellers1: i'm assuming that kevin would follow, but we won't give him the opportunity
spanellers1: and if joe wins HoH. nina will be going
spanellers1: since joe and kevin have a stronger bond than with nina
spanellers1: she'll be used as the replacement nomination
spanellers1: so, if joe wins and you and alex are on the block, you don't have to break your deal with kevin, for now at least, and neither will i
squeezycheese01: I think we should get Joe out before Kevin.
squeezycheese01: Just because Joe is more threatening.
spanellers1: we don't have a choice though
squeezycheese01: Yea.
spanellers1: if one of us win HoH next round, we HAVE to put them both up
spanellers1: otherwise one vetoes the other
spanellers1: and two of us outsiders end up on the block
squeezycheese01: Well, here's what I'm thinking...
squeezycheese01: Worst case scenario.
squeezycheese01: We put up someone we don't want to go and then veto them off quickly so whoever is HoH can put up the other one so they can't veto anyone.
spanellers1: this round or next?
squeezycheese01: Well, it depends on when we get HoH.
spanellers1: because if joe gets it this time, none of us will have enough monet for a plain veto
spanellers1: unless alex... lemme look
spanellers1: alex can buy plain veto
squeezycheese01: Alex has a golden veto.
squeezycheese01: He won it in the box challenge.
spanellers1: no, he doesn't
spanellers1: he used it
squeezycheese01: Oh, that's right.
spanellers1: in the triple nomination week
spanellers1: but he has $102
spanellers1: so, if one of us wins HoH next week and this week's plan works...
spanellers1: you will put me up, and i'll put you up
spanellers1: alex will veto us off
spanellers1: we have to keep alex off of the block
squeezycheese01: That sounds good.
squeezycheese01: We just have to be ready to veto as soon as whoever posts the noms.
spanellers1: crap, that might suck since i'm having a party tonight
spanellers1: well, let's think...
spanellers1: if joe wins HoH, th eonly people who can buy/use veto are me, alex, kevin, and joe
spanellers1: joe can't since he is away
spanellers1: kevin won't since he wants a golden veto to himself
spanellers1: alex will be on the block and can't veto himself
spanellers1: and if he vetoes you, then i'll go up, so that doesn't work
spanellers1: so i HAVE to use it (and i just bought it 2 mins ago)
squeezycheese01: I wish Val would just post who won.
spanellers1: i actually hope that joe won
spanellers1: because this way, we're all safe
spanellers1: and we have a 3/4 chance of next HoH
spanellers1: otherwise, we're still safe, but only have a 2/4 chance of HoH
squeezycheese01: Yea.
squeezycheese01: But if one of us does get it I think we can still get either Kevin or Joe out since if we nommed both of them, one vetos someone I can still nominate Nina it's still 2 of us voting versus 1 of them.
spanellers1: yep, but we have less of a chance at HoH next week
squeezycheese01: Yes, but realistically, do you think Nina is going to win. :-P
spanellers1: nope :-P
spanellers1: so 2/3
spanellers1: what thing did nina win before?
spanellers1: majority?
squeezycheese01: She won that HoH what do you think the majority will say thing.
squeezycheese01: Which apparantly she begged people to let her win.
spanellers1: HA!
squeezycheese01: I think it was just Kevin and Joe.
squeezycheese01: Which is probably how they got together.
spanellers1: you can easily rig one of those challenges
squeezycheese01: becuase they figured if she won they could influence her simple little mind.
spanellers1: and i think it worked... but it's odd that she put up alex
squeezycheese01: I think it was because they thought he would stay.
squeezycheese01: And they were probably right.
squeezycheese01: And I think this was probably before everyone knew Jordan made a final 3 alliance with everyone (except me. :-()
spanellers1: he never made F3 with me
spanellers1: he just said "i won't vote you out if you don't vote me out ;-)"
spanellers1: i liked jordan
squeezycheese01: I like Jordan too but I'm glad he's gone.
spanellers1: i dont think joe/kevin/nina expected jordan to go
spanellers1: since they wanted you out then, and again now
squeezycheese01: Then why didn't they vote for me?
squeezycheese01: Jay voted for me.
squeezycheese01: I think they voted Jordan.
spanellers1: oh, joe and kevin voted veronica, didnt they
squeezycheese01: Who did you vote?
spanellers1: i voted jordan
squeezycheese01: Well, then Kevin is a liar because he told me he was voting Jordin.
squeezycheese01: *Jordan
spanellers1: jo=e was trying to convince me to vote veronica
squeezycheese01: Why the hell did they vote Veronica?
squeezycheese01: Veronica wasn't a threat to anyone.
spanellers1: veronica came to me an hour before eviction and said "joe just said he was voting for me and that he had a second vote"
spanellers1: she mad the cash
spanellers1: *had
spanellers1: just like jay
spanellers1: now, kevin and joe are the only ones that can afford golden veto
squeezycheese01: What bitches.
squeezycheese01: :-P
spanellers1: lol
squeezycheese01: If I get it I'm going to nominate them both just so they fight over the veto.
spanellers1: wow, i think we actually have a chance of making F3, but we're gonna need to kick ass at HoH
spanellers1: we NEED to nominate them both
spanellers1: that way, whoever uses it stays in the game
squeezycheese01: I'm not bad at HoH challenges.
spanellers1: and they can't afford veto for F4
spanellers1: next week, i mean
spanellers1: we need to get one to use veto
squeezycheese01: They might not now that I think.
squeezycheese01: Because then whoever doesn't buy the veto will go.
spanellers1: if they think about it...
squeezycheese01: so there will be 1 person with no money and 1 person gone.
spanellers1: neither should buy or use veto
spanellers1: right, that is best for US
squeezycheese01: Yes.
spanellers1: but for them, neither should buy veto since one will go anyways and one can buy and use a veto in the final 4
squeezycheese01: We need to tell the most easily influencable one that they'll go if they don't veto themselves.
spanellers1: ok, do you think you should tell kevin
spanellers1: since kev trusts you?
squeezycheese01: I think so.
squeezycheese01: But if Kevin really trusted me he wouldn't want me out. :-P
spanellers1: that's true.... but people will open themselves more when they need something
spanellers1: i'm grad we worked this out :-)
squeezycheese01: Me too.
squeezycheese01: I wish I could afford a veto.
squeezycheese01: I wish I could afford anything, actually.
spanellers1: you can buy a smiley box soon, lol, i don't know what those things do
squeezycheese01: I dunno, but I might do it.
spanellers1: i was considering buying a box before i thought of this plan
spanellers1: maybe it holds a vote or veto or something
squeezycheese01: There might be a problem, though.
squeezycheese01: Wait, nevermind.
squeezycheese01: There won't.
squeezycheese01: Because you can't block your own nomination.
spanellers1: they wouldn't even consider buying them anyways
spanellers1: that would make their veto out of reach
squeezycheese01: Yea.
squeezycheese01: Not that they can use vetos at final 3.
squeezycheese01: They only have two other rounds to use it.
spanellers1: if this works right, there will be no vetos at F4
spanellers1: unless you or alex can reach 130
squeezycheese01: I don't think I can.
squeezycheese01: I'd have to post like...70 times.
spanellers1: lol
squeezycheese01 signed off at 3:52:59 PM.

[Ryan]

spanellers1: hey
squeezycheese01: Hi.
spanellers1: how are you?
squeezycheese01: I'm...eh. You>
spanellers1: alright
spanellers1: so, i guess we have a dilemma
spanellers1: is it even worth it of me to use the veto?
squeezycheese01: No.
squeezycheese01: Won't Alex vote Nina?
spanellers1: joe made a deal with him too
spanellers1: i'll see what i can do, can you do the same?
squeezycheese01: Wait wait.
squeezycheese01: If you veto me he has to put up Alex.
squeezycheese01: If he has a deal with Alex then oh well.
squeezycheese01: He can go.
spanellers1: alex cannot go
spanellers1: if i veto you, we have to take out nina
squeezycheese01: Why?
squeezycheese01: If he made a deal with Joe.
squeezycheese01: If you veto me I'll vote Nina if you explain why it's a good idea.
spanellers1: i'm working on alex
spanellers1: if alex defects to us
spanellers1: we can save veto for next round
spanellers1: if alex talks to you, pretend like you and i didn't discuss anything today
squeezycheese01: Kay.
spanellers1: would it be better for me to just veto you?
squeezycheese01: It would definitely be safer.
squeezycheese01: Use your judgement, it is your veto after all.
squeezycheese01: I'm going to bed, I don't feel well. Night.
squeezycheese01 signed off at 1:36:16 AM.

[Ryan]

spanellers1: hey
OMGHULLOROFL: Hey :-)
spanellers1: how are you?
OMGHULLOROFL: pretty good
OMGHULLOROFL: you?
spanellers1: fine, just finished a party, tired as hell
spanellers1: i'm assuming joe already came to you about voting?
OMGHULLOROFL: yes
OMGHULLOROFL: before noms he did actually
spanellers1: vote stephen out if you aren't nominated?
OMGHULLOROFL: yep
spanellers1: same to me
OMGHULLOROFL: hmm
OMGHULLOROFL: what are you thinking?
OMGHULLOROFL: lol
OMGHULLOROFL: fyi..I did vote for you last round.
spanellers1: here's the problem, nina, joe, and kevin are in this together
spanellers1: i know you voted for me
OMGHULLOROFL: they really are?
spanellers1: you didn't know?
OMGHULLOROFL: nope
spanellers1: wow, even veronica knew about it
OMGHULLOROFL: I was under the impression joe would be targetted next
spanellers1: so, if you and i vote for stephen, it's pretty much game suicide
spanellers1: we're blocked into a corner by 3 people to 2, if we take out stephen
OMGHULLOROFL: what would stephen think if we like...didn't boot him? /:
OMGHULLOROFL: are you sure they are together?
spanellers1: yeah
spanellers1: why didn't joe put kevin on the block, then
OMGHULLOROFL: see..i guess i may have been naive but i was told that that was just a rumor from veronica
OMGHULLOROFL: hm
OMGHULLOROFL: that's true
spanellers1: kevin is the only person other than joe that can buy golden veto
OMGHULLOROFL: hm
spanellers1: who told you it was just a runor from veronica
OMGHULLOROFL: kevin
OMGHULLOROFL: lol
spanellers1: mmmhmmm
OMGHULLOROFL: is there any other reasons that point to them being together?
OMGHULLOROFL: i guess i can see it
spanellers1: remember nina's nominations?
OMGHULLOROFL: sort of
spanellers1: all madrid, i believe
OMGHULLOROFL: oh yeah
spanellers1: isn't it sensible that she was influenced by kevin and joe
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: you are right
spanellers1: kevin and joe are in it together and using nina as a pawn
OMGHULLOROFL: ugh
spanellers1: nina was from paris, kevin from rome, joe from berlin
spanellers1: the only outsider house was madrid
spanellers1: so they all go up
OMGHULLOROFL: i guess i did have suspicions about something like this happening..the game has an odd feeling to it
OMGHULLOROFL: brb
OMGHULLOROFL is away at 1:31:06 AM.
OMGHULLOROFL: back
OMGHULLOROFL: Veronica~ You and I haven't talked much, and I really lyked talking to you today but it would be unfair of me to nominate the other people I've gotten to know alot better. Also, you have alot of Euros that could buy vetos and stuff so that is threatening.
OMGHULLOROFL: could kevin and joe buy veto's at that time
spanellers1: one of them has one now
spanellers1: we don't know who
OMGHULLOROFL: nina is more than a pawn
spanellers1: they could've back then
OMGHULLOROFL: or she is letting herself be a pawn
spanellers1: but it was post nominations
OMGHULLOROFL: cause i awe this game she was in
OMGHULLOROFL: she's really smart
OMGHULLOROFL: she let people think she was a pawn and then won the final challenge
spanellers1: she's allowing them to play her so people underestimate her
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: i love that
OMGHULLOROFL: but it makes me nervous
spanellers1: i don't want to take her out, i really like nina
spanellers1: however, keeping nina in is a person for joe and kevin
spanellers1: nina won't come with us
spanellers1: sorry AIM signed me off
OMGHULLOROFL: it's ok
OMGHULLOROFL: meh
spanellers1: nina won't come with us
spanellers1: on the other hand, stephen would be willing
spanellers1: he has no other alternatives
OMGHULLOROFL: well..I don't think they are alligned. I'm gonna be sure to ask joe abotu this and bring up your name.
OMGHULLOROFL: JK JK JK JK
OMGHULLOROFL: lol
OMGHULLOROFL: sorry
spanellers1: lol
OMGHULLOROFL: i had to do that
OMGHULLOROFL: hmm
OMGHULLOROFL: k so if we do this..how will we handle like
OMGHULLOROFL: telling people
spanellers1: stephen thinks that he is leaving next
spanellers1: we don't
spanellers1: we tell stephen, and that's it
OMGHULLOROFL: ek
OMGHULLOROFL: do you an stephen have an allaince?
spanellers1: otherwise, either joe or kevin will use thier veto
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: put us up
spanellers1: no, but you i and him certainly need to start one
OMGHULLOROFL: and then evict whoever
spanellers1: or we're all goners
spanellers1: this game is 3v1v1v1
OMGHULLOROFL: i woner why jay left last week
spanellers1: we have no chance
OMGHULLOROFL: cause joe was jay's friend
spanellers1: he had money
spanellers1: kevin didn't like that
OMGHULLOROFL: i mean..if he was kevin's friend couldn't they have more influence on him compared to you?
spanellers1: that's what i thought too
OMGHULLOROFL: and wouldn't it make joe mad?
OMGHULLOROFL: or maybe they evicted him to make it seem like they weren't together
spanellers1: jay had enough money to buy enough vetos to give him a free pass to the final four
spanellers1: that has to be it
spanellers1: because kevin knew that jay was either going or it would tie
spanellers1: or wait, who did stephen vote for?
spanellers1: damn AIM
OMGHULLOROFL: what was the last message you got?
spanellers1: spanellers1: or wait, who did stephen vote for?
OMGHULLOROFL: i guess he voted for you
OMGHULLOROFL: joe told me he voted for jay to stay
OMGHULLOROFL: o wait
OMGHULLOROFL: me and joe voted for you
OMGHULLOROFL: nina and joe voted for ja
OMGHULLOROFL: y
spanellers1: did joe vote for me or jay?
spanellers1: to leave
OMGHULLOROFL: joe told me he voted for you to go
spanellers1: see, we really can't tell
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: you promise you aren't lying to me or anything right?
spanellers1: here's something else we can look at
spanellers1: hell no
spanellers1: what do i have to gain by lying to you about this
OMGHULLOROFL: i dunno. sorry..go on
spanellers1: i have no allies
spanellers1: seriously, so lying wouldn't make me look that spectacular, now would it?
OMGHULLOROFL: er...what do you mean?
spanellers1: if i was to go out and lie right now, i have no one to back me up
OMGHULLOROFL: i don't think you are lying but i'm just making sure
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
spanellers1: so, if i am lying, i'm gonna be the next to go
spanellers1: i don't feel overly confident trusting you about it, but i don't have any other choice, and i think i can trust you enough
OMGHULLOROFL: well.we haven't really talked much
spanellers1: exactly
OMGHULLOROFL: but what you say makes sense
OMGHULLOROFL: depresses me a bit though
spanellers1: if you me and steve take the game on end
OMGHULLOROFL: but ah well
spanellers1: we have a 3/4 shot of next HoH
OMGHULLOROFL: and val said that veto isn't usable next round
spanellers1: when?
OMGHULLOROFL: final 5
spanellers1: isn't usable or buyable?
OMGHULLOROFL: at final 7 she said "next round is last round for veto"
spanellers1: urg!!!
OMGHULLOROFL: well that may be good
OMGHULLOROFL: if one of us wins hoh we can sort of control who goes
OMGHULLOROFL: who didn't stephen im me to convince me not to vote for him?
spanellers1: no, because if this round goes like it should, next round would be perfect
spanellers1: what?
OMGHULLOROFL: i dunno
OMGHULLOROFL: he never im's me
OMGHULLOROFL: it feels hostile
OMGHULLOROFL: brb
OMGHULLOROFL is away at 1:45:41 AM.
spanellers1: well, if we could use veto next round and kevin won, we could get him to put you and steve on the block, i have a useless plain veto so i can't use it on myself, i could safe one of you two, and kevin would be forced to put up joe, then we'd boot him

Auto response from OMGHULLOROFL: not here.

spanellers1: if we did win HoH, we'd put both of them on the block, one of them could veto themselves but we'd still have the votes to control the verdict and be sure one of them gets out
OMGHULLOROFL returned at 1:47:36 AM.
spanellers1: but since we can't use veto, we just have to win HoH
OMGHULLOROFL: i don't think veto will work at final 5
OMGHULLOROFL: i may be wrong
OMGHULLOROFL: but from what she said veto wil lbe useless
OMGHULLOROFL: this is just an idea
OMGHULLOROFL: and it's sort of evil
spanellers1: i'll check with her,m but oh well
spanellers1: ok, what is it?
OMGHULLOROFL: well
OMGHULLOROFL: imo it makes no sense for them to make nina vulnerable
OMGHULLOROFL: but they may have put nina up, and then they were gonna veto her
OMGHULLOROFL: and put one of us up
OMGHULLOROFL: just to ensure one of us goes
OMGHULLOROFL: you know what I'm saying?
spanellers1: i need to get an answer from val about this, but i think i should use my veto
spanellers1: do you have a problem with going on the block? you'll be safe for sure
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: that's what I was suggesting
OMGHULLOROFL: are you 100% sure he wouldn't vote for me though?
spanellers1: i'll talk to him tomorrow, but he knows about kevin and joe
OMGHULLOROFL: how does he know about kevin and joe?
spanellers1: and he'd be stupid to take you out, i know it and i think that he knows it
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
OMGHULLOROFL: i think you should jump on it then and use veto now
OMGHULLOROFL: imo
spanellers1: well, everyone knows, at least i thought everyone did
OMGHULLOROFL: nope
spanellers1: i wwant to, but if we can use it next round...
OMGHULLOROFL: besides veronica..why else is it obvious
OMGHULLOROFL: we don't need it next round..if one of us wins hoh we can put up whoever has veto and as long as one of us is voting we'll be fine
spanellers1: well, i started to catch on after nina's nominations
OMGHULLOROFL: cause we only need one vote
spanellers1: it didn't click until veronica said something, but i had suspicions
OMGHULLOROFL: cause hoh will break the tie
OMGHULLOROFL: so we don't need veto next round
spanellers1: but it's a problem if kevin wins HoH instead of us
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: but we'd lose one of us anyway though
spanellers1: without veto, two of us are on the block
spanellers1: no, if i was not on the block
spanellers1: i could veto you
spanellers1: then, joe would be a force nomination
spanellers1: we would take him out 2-0
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
OMGHULLOROFL: well
OMGHULLOROFL: whatever is best
OMGHULLOROFL: i'm just worried now
OMGHULLOROFL: cause if you wait they may use veto
spanellers1: only if it is the last round
spanellers1: if it isn't the last round, we needn't worry, they'll save theirs
OMGHULLOROFL: yes..but why nominate nina though?
OMGHULLOROFL: it makes no strategic sense to me
spanellers1: to make it look like there is no alliance
spanellers1: and since joe can put trust in you and me
spanellers1: by not putting us up, and he can do that without putting kevin up
OMGHULLOROFL: hm
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
OMGHULLOROFL: so you think joe is working me and you
OMGHULLOROFL: and making it seem like nina is not with them?
OMGHULLOROFL: let's look on the board and see if she says anything about veto
spanellers1: i'm searching
OMGHULLOROFL: this'll be crazy if we do this
OMGHULLOROFL: I'm excited now
OMGHULLOROFL: lol
spanellers1: it'll work wonderfully, lol
OMGHULLOROFL: if they catch on we are screwed though
spanellers1: if i use veto, it doesn't matter
OMGHULLOROFL: i feel kind of bad cause i like them, kevin in particular
spanellers1: i know, same for me
OMGHULLOROFL: and I was trying to play the game morally..but eh
spanellers1: but it's a game
OMGHULLOROFL: yeah
spanellers1: gosh i wish val would get off of her cell phone
OMGHULLOROFL signed on at 2:02:14 AM.
spanellers1: sorry, shut me off again, my internet connection sucks
OMGHULLOROFL: it's ok
spanellers1: i just said:
spanellers1: spanellers1: gosh i wish val would get off of her cell phone
OMGHULLOROFL: me too
OMGHULLOROFL: do you think she'll be online later?
spanellers1: i don't know, but i'm worried kevin might've bought the veto instead of joe
spanellers1: and if he wakes up and is here before i am... we're done
OMGHULLOROFL: imo it's a risk but there is a higher chance of success if you veto me now
OMGHULLOROFL: i mean
OMGHULLOROFL: veto stephen
OMGHULLOROFL: and then yeah
OMGHULLOROFL: next round
OMGHULLOROFL: it's still us thre versus kevin
OMGHULLOROFL: three*
OMGHULLOROFL: so we have a better shot at hoh
OMGHULLOROFL: but if we hold off and don't use veto
OMGHULLOROFL: then stephen will be evicted
OMGHULLOROFL: or maybe you or I
spanellers1: ug! i hate this
OMGHULLOROFL: and then kevin and nina will go for hoh against us
OMGHULLOROFL: and i know nina is better at the challenges than she seems
spanellers1: really?
spanellers1: hmmmmm
OMGHULLOROFL: cause she won the final challenge in mana and suprised some people
OMGHULLOROFL: I really have stunk this game
OMGHULLOROFL: oi
OMGHULLOROFL: i need to win hoh or sometyhing
spanellers1: ok, i think i'll use veto, but i gtg now
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
spanellers1: posting in a minute
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
OMGHULLOROFL: ek
OMGHULLOROFL: this is scary
spanellers1: lol, we're all assured F5
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
spanellers1: safety :-)
OMGHULLOROFL: stephen really won't evict me huh?
spanellers1: then. we win HoH, we;re assured F4
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
spanellers1: and a 2/3 shot of next HoH
OMGHULLOROFL: ok
spanellers1: so, the odds are in our favor for both, we should hopefully be in the clear, ttyl

[Ryan]

l3tters to y0u: Hey Ryan :-)
spanellers1: hey kevin, final five!
l3tters to y0u: i know!
l3tters to y0u: congrats!
spanellers1: thanks
l3tters to y0u: im feeling nervous as hell though
l3tters to y0u: lol
spanellers1: now, i'm mad
l3tters to y0u: me too kidna =/
l3tters to y0u: lol
l3tters to y0u: whats up?
spanellers1: i only used the veto for the sake of using it because val said veto was over at F5
spanellers1: now she says that we can use it as final five!
l3tters to y0u: omg
l3tters to y0u: really?
l3tters to y0u: you used it jut to use it
spanellers1: yeah...
l3tters to y0u: that blows...
spanellers1: no use putting a veto to waste
l3tters to y0u: yeah i know
spanellers1: i spent 100 on it, and i only have like 10 now
l3tters to y0u: your not going anywhere, if anyone besides me wins hoh i think im toast
spanellers1: really?
spanellers1: wait, but don't you have golden veto?
l3tters to y0u: everyone still believes that stupid thing that im with joe and nina
spanellers1: or did joe buy it first?
l3tters to y0u: im not sure, val never said
spanellers1: when did this come about? joe and nina
l3tters to y0u: *sigh* stephen is telling everyone that and its not true
l3tters to y0u: veronica
l3tters to y0u: when she was evicted me joe and nina were online at the same time, telling her
l3tters to y0u: she went nutso and told everyone we had an alliance
spanellers1: wow, very odd
l3tters to y0u: i flipped out on alex for asking me about it :-( i feel bad now...its just frustrating hearing it over and over
l3tters to y0u: i feel like i can never just relax for ar ound
spanellers1: this is really odd, that means there are like no alliances in the house
l3tters to y0u: hahaha, from what everyone is saying, right :-P
l3tters to y0u: everyone just follows the majority
spanellers1: why? what do you know?
spanellers1: so it seems, i think it's gonna be my time
spanellers1: unless i win HoH
l3tters to y0u: does stephen or alex have any vetos
l3tters to y0u: or joe
l3tters to y0u: blah i dont even know what to do anymore
spanellers1: it's either you or jo
spanellers1: e
spanellers1: alex can't buy one since i did
l3tters to y0u: are you with stephen?
l3tters to y0u: to be blunt, lol. since you saved him
spanellers1: no, lol
spanellers1: i just wanted to use my veto!
l3tters to y0u: hahahaha yeah i feel ya
l3tters to y0u: i just trust him the least =/
l3tters to y0u: dotn tell him that, lol
spanellers1: lol, i wouldnt talk to him to forward him that information
l3tters to y0u: haha
l3tters to y0u: i just feel
l3tters to y0u: like at a dead end
spanellers1: how so?
l3tters to y0u: like i dont know what to do
spanellers1: i like you, i'm assuming that everyone else likes you as well if you act the same way, so you shouldn't have much of a problem
l3tters to y0u: same, and same
l3tters to y0u: =)
l3tters to y0u: personally, who would you want gone this round
spanellers1: hm, most likely alex
spanellers1: but, it could be anyone
l3tters to y0u: yeah
spanellers1: joe, stephen, who knows
l3tters to y0u: just depends on this hoh
l3tters to y0u: yeah yeah
l3tters to y0u: ill figure ti out when it happens
spanellers1: i think whoever wins HoH will probably just put you and joe up since one of you have veto
l3tters to y0u: yeah
l3tters to y0u: and see what happens
l3tters to y0u: and if i take myself off
spanellers1: make sure that neither of you can use veto from the outside forcing a replacement nominee
l3tters to y0u: im safe
l3tters to y0u: right
l3tters to y0u: i actually
l3tters to y0u: klind fo want to get nominated
l3tters to y0u: ill ask val if i have it
spanellers1: oh, so you do have veto?
l3tters to y0u: let me go check my posts
l3tters to y0u: h/o
spanellers1: lol
l3tters to y0u: oh YAY
l3tters to y0u: i do have one
l3tters to y0u: :-D
spanellers1: yay!
l3tters to y0u: hotness
spanellers1: if i'm on the block and you're not, can you save me??? :-P
l3tters to y0u: nominate me please
l3tters to y0u: lmfao
spanellers1: lol
l3tters to y0u: or that too
l3tters to y0u: :-)
spanellers1: hm, i have an interesting thought
l3tters to y0u: yeah?
spanellers1: let me just come up with some details for it
l3tters to y0u: okay
l3tters to y0u: =P
l3tters to y0u: im gonna go eat dinner, ill leave my a/m on
l3tters to y0u: ttys =)
l3tters to y0u is away at 6:20:20 PM.
spanellers1: if i'm on the block and you use the veto on me (i have a feeling i'll be up since i have no social relations)

Auto response from l3tters to y0u: dinner, bbs

spanellers1: considering neither of us win HoH, we'll be the two votes and control the verdict
spanellers1: we decide who leaves, then we both get to compete in F4 HoH
spanellers1: well have a 2/3 shot
spanellers1: if we win, we make the other person the sole vote of the week
spanellers1: then, 2/3 shot at next HoH
spanellers1: so, if we throw HoH, and i get myself on the block and keep you off of it
spanellers1: we'll be the two votes after veto, we control it, then have 2/3 shot at F4 HoH and final HoH as well
spanellers1: then, if we stay true to each other to the end, that would mean we have a 2/3 shot of being the final 2
spanellers1: so my thought is, if you're willing, this plan can work perfectly
spanellers1: i'm sure i can secure a position on the block
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spanellers1: once you're done, any thoughts?
l3tters to y0u: yeah, why arent you at harvard?
l3tters to y0u: :-P
l3tters to y0u: i think it sounds like a great plan
spanellers1: but we both need to throw HoH for it to work
l3tters to y0u: definitely
spanellers1: and after that, it should be cake
l3tters to y0u: so
l3tters to y0u: i cant go up
l3tters to y0u: but you can
spanellers1: since i can get myself on the block
spanellers1: and if i'm up, my guess is that if alex or stephen wins, they'll both put up joe beside me
spanellers1: since joe put them up
l3tters to y0u: oh yeah!
l3tters to y0u: sweetness
l3tters to y0u: im just gla dyour with me
l3tters to y0u: its really late in teh game
l3tters to y0u: and most peopel would already have their f2s or whatever
l3tters to y0u: atleast im not alone haha
spanellers1: i feel the same way... finally :-)
l3tters to y0u: letsrock this shit
l3tters to y0u: lol
spanellers1: woot woot!
spanellers1: well, i have to host and play another challenge later tonight, so i think i'll finally get some late dinner
l3tters to y0u: haha okay
l3tters to y0u: cool :-)
l3tters to y0u: RYAN
l3tters to y0u: are you in
l3tters to y0u: thea amazing
l3tters to y0u: online race
spanellers1: no is that tonight?
l3tters to y0u: yeah!
l3tters to y0u: im in it
l3tters to y0u: lol
l3tters to y0u: :-D
spanellers1: darn, no i never applied
spanellers1: good luck, ttyl
l3tters to y0u: thanks peace
l3tters to y0u: ;-)
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It's ALL lies so Kevin throws the challenge. He's a great guy, but too great of a threat.